Bought these for my husband from a retailer in Bozeman for Christmas, paid full retail price. He does it all in these pants from daily laps, to skinning and racing in skimo competitions. These pants are amazing, but...First year he loved them, second year the cuffs started to fall apart, this year he put them on and spent two weeks skiing in them (he does ski patrol) early season, and got soaked! Huge disappointment in lasting quality. These pants are expensive and should last the way they are built, but was highly disappointed.